tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6145471572038404854.post7288499517922807082..comments2023-11-05T04:02:15.790-08:00Comments on Grammar/Syntax Errors: SubwayAndy Rayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03879827872978551784noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6145471572038404854.post-6137162149379836422008-03-25T22:54:00.000-07:002008-03-25T22:54:00.000-07:00I saw a sign at Wal-Mart saying "10 items or less"...I saw a sign at Wal-Mart saying "10 items or less". <BR/>Then "six grams or less" should be the same case. <BR/>There are two kinds of grammars: prescriptive and descriptive. <BR/>I think, six grams or less could be the prescriptive one. <BR/><BR/>I am a second language learner of English and I think English grammar is sooooo confusing.Jeab Ngarmnijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13772760405995172853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6145471572038404854.post-32250272244453859862007-10-21T21:58:00.000-07:002007-10-21T21:58:00.000-07:00It is amazing that everyone is fighting over the u...It is amazing that everyone is fighting over the use of "less" or "fewer" and completely ignoring the use of the word "grammarically." There is no such word. The word is "grammatically." To paraphrase Shakespeare, teacher, teach thyself.The Hot Dishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08621463593681907958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6145471572038404854.post-43199554474348990652007-10-21T21:55:00.000-07:002007-10-21T21:55:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.The Hot Dishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08621463593681907958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6145471572038404854.post-14989215800053080412007-10-21T18:43:00.000-07:002007-10-21T18:43:00.000-07:00Oh my god. you people are completely insane. You'r...Oh my god. you people are completely insane. You're getting even fatter because you aren't able to take the assault of a simple, and grey-area, grammar error? I would have assumed this must be a joke...Blemishedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08889827886477868204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6145471572038404854.post-1122683593312313532007-10-18T07:46:00.000-07:002007-10-18T07:46:00.000-07:00"Less" is fine when it's a continuous quantity. O..."Less" is fine when it's a continuous quantity. Only discrete quantities require "fewer".Powershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17334689534388555738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6145471572038404854.post-48827284467408856332007-10-16T19:57:00.000-07:002007-10-16T19:57:00.000-07:00"My wife & I ate at Subway last night following ou..."My wife & I ate at Subway last night following our daughter's Fall Choir Concert." <BR/><BR/>This is clearly a glass house situation.Wazohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10161756625131967389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6145471572038404854.post-32983393659249668602007-10-11T16:04:00.000-07:002007-10-11T16:04:00.000-07:00That Subway sign has bothered me since it came out...That Subway sign has bothered me since it came out. I agree with Andy.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12964283097654895692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6145471572038404854.post-73078989390756421642007-10-08T07:18:00.000-07:002007-10-08T07:18:00.000-07:00Lesley, while your examples of the book costing le...Lesley, while your examples of the book costing less than two dollars and something being less than a hundred yards away sound correct (and probably are, for that matter), if we use "fewer," we remove any doubt. And yes, "fewer" could be substituted for "less" in either of those examples.Andy Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03879827872978551784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6145471572038404854.post-484788199570077072007-10-08T04:28:00.000-07:002007-10-08T04:28:00.000-07:00Less is the correct way of stating this. The amou...Less is the correct way of stating this. The amount of fat is a continuous variable. A sandwich could contain 4.5643 grams of fat as fat content in food does not come in neat even portions of fat per serving.Wazohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10161756625131967389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6145471572038404854.post-8762392806923244052007-10-05T15:26:00.000-07:002007-10-05T15:26:00.000-07:00Okay, Andy. Here's my reasoning.And I do understan...Okay, Andy. Here's my reasoning.<BR/>And I do understand the difference between 'less' and 'fewer' in their most common applications.<BR/><BR/>I'm absolutely with you on your first point - that's a given. 'We received less rain today' is, of course, correct. No argument. <BR/><BR/>We are talking, here, about an amount. Not a countable number of units or items.<BR/>I think that is the key point.<BR/> <BR/>We are talking about an amount in 'six grams of fat' also. A <I>quantity</I>. <BR/>It's a subtle difference, but we are <I>not</I> talking about the actual <I>grams</I> of fat <I> per se</I>. <BR/><BR/>Your second phrase, "We received fewer inches of rain today that we did yesterday" is, I admit, a borderline case. And does sound dodgy if you use 'less than', perhaps because there are no numbers involved in this sentence to add weight and credence to the stat rule - though I am clutching at straws here!<BR/><BR/>But here are two more sentences to look at:<BR/>'It's less than a hundred yards away.'<BR/>'The book cost less than two dollars.'<BR/>Would you swap 'less' for 'fewer' in either example?Lesleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07175734326888791038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6145471572038404854.post-18498101066588012612007-10-05T12:34:00.000-07:002007-10-05T12:34:00.000-07:00Lesley, no! "Less" is not fine with any kind of m...Lesley, no! "Less" is not fine with any kind of measuring. To wit, "It rained less today than yesterday," is perfectly fine. You wouldn't say, "It rained fewer today than yesterday." Fewer what? The sentence never mentioned a quantifiable figure -- i.e. one which can be measured. In other words, the sentence didn't mentioned inches of rain, or centimeters of rain. It simply stated that it rained less today. Fine.<BR/><BR/>But the minute we start quantifying, we must use fewer. As in, "We received fewer inches of rain today than we did yesterday." We didn't receive LESS inches. That sounds like fingernails on a chalkboard to me. We received FEWER inches. Inches can be counted, so we received fewer.Andy Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03879827872978551784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6145471572038404854.post-28717904000899488242007-10-05T09:05:00.000-07:002007-10-05T09:05:00.000-07:00Your way of looking at six grams of fat or less, a...Your way of looking at <I>six grams of fat or less</I>, and seeing only the countable number of grams, is understandable.<BR/><BR/>My view is that it's a quantity, and so I'd be okay with <I>less</I> here.<BR/><BR/><I>Less</I> is fine with stats and measurements that denote a quantity of something.Lesleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07175734326888791038noreply@blogger.com